tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post83403756526017937..comments2023-09-29T06:00:09.242-05:00Comments on Julie Pippert: Using My Words: The Justice and Forgiveness Roundtable: Part 2 A New Challenge for a New DayJulie Pipperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-2800301730350052002007-04-20T21:25:00.000-05:002007-04-20T21:25:00.000-05:00Oh, goodness, you totally didn't intrude. No, I w...Oh, goodness, you totally didn't intrude. No, I was just trying to offer an explanation. And, as I write, I read that the hostage-taking at NASA has ended in more violence. This is so awful. It feels weird to say that I hope that friends and family of yours are safe, when someone else's clearly are not. But I do.<BR/><BR/>What is going on?NotSoSagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04782162947524115936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-28007802991046657882007-04-20T12:47:00.000-05:002007-04-20T12:47:00.000-05:00Add me to those who need guidance, teach.I love wr...Add me to those who need guidance, teach.<BR/><BR/>I love writing, I love this concept, but am bad about just plucking.<BR/><BR/>Tell me what the write about and I'll write. Promise.kalirozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413769558136831135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-35444954842986947352007-04-20T09:08:00.000-05:002007-04-20T09:08:00.000-05:00Julie, they all sound interesting. Maybe for the ...Julie, they all sound interesting. Maybe for the next month/five weeks or so, you could make Wednesday SomethingJusticeMercySomething Day. Then we could tackle it slowly and other people could contribute or not as they find time, inclination, inspiration.<BR/><BR/>I know for me, it's been a really great experience, but also an exhausting one. So exhausting, in fact, that I just want you (Teach, heh) to tell me what EXACTLY to do next.<BR/><BR/>I think what Mad touched on, the idea of systemic influence, was sort of where I was going the other day, with justice being top down, etc, although she stated it much better than I did. <BR/><BR/>And it's interesting that Catherine brought up The Merchant of Venice because I also have been thinking about that work as I read through all the work of other bloggers and as I think about my own philosophy.Gwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526629366170486737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-47769582227676893522007-04-20T08:54:00.000-05:002007-04-20T08:54:00.000-05:00Chani, look forward to it.**Catherine, you can joi...Chani, look forward to it.<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>Catherine, you can join in at any time. And part 2 is coming up.<BR/><BR/>Good question! I'll throw it out there, but I also think a few of the participants addressed a few points along those lines. However, not quite at the angle you're coming from, I think. That'd make an interesting post!<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>Sage and Mad, sorry if I intruded. I didn't get the background of it, simply saw the point (on a couple of spots maybe?) and thought it was a great question. Sage, I understand that. I always go back and forth on some topics---include, or not? Mad, I saw your first answers, haven't hit the second set yet or had a chance to comment but I will pay extra attention now.<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>Mary-Lue, oh it's all optional. I make big plans like this and forget what all I have next week. ut also I don't want to hem people in, so if you have your own thoughts that's fine.<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>Jen, oooh good one. I'll add it in.<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>Jozet, glad to see you. Your posts were awesome. I have more to say but am called away now! Back in a bit.Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-84618563516928707172007-04-19T23:02:00.000-05:002007-04-19T23:02:00.000-05:00Damn! You got it going on here, Julie!Lately, I've...Damn! You got it going on here, Julie!<BR/><BR/>Lately, I've been wrapped up in my mundane cereal-to-sandwich-to-dinner routine. I'm going to have to hang out here and do some deep thinking to keep my mind exercised. <BR/><BR/>Right now, I'm going to go through the round one links and start reading.<BR/><BR/>For me, I'm still caught up in twirling my firebrand of anger over the latest events. I don't have much of a bent toward justice or forgiveness right now. I will say that in explaining all this to my 8yo, who was catching snippets from NPR, she asked me "will the shooter go to jail forever for killing all those kids?" When I told her that he had, in fact, killed himself in the end, my duaghter thought long and hard and said, "Well, they should put his body in jail. And God will have a punishment for him when he gets to heaven."<BR/><BR/>So, we have to work on compassion here. But at least we've got it covered that even people who do really bad things don't get damned for all eternity. Although, they might have a long sit on the naughty step.josetteplank.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790825543155685363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-65564588170191738452007-04-19T23:00:00.000-05:002007-04-19T23:00:00.000-05:00Ok. I think I have it.I think we need to next talk...Ok. I think I have it.<BR/><BR/>I think we need to next talk about choice. You asked earlier which we would choose. But deeper, right, is how and why we choose.<BR/><BR/>And what choice really means. Do we all have the same ability to choose? Is it really a present tense concept?<BR/><BR/>How do we choose anything (forgiveness, justice, compassion)if we don't know why or how choice is really made?Girlplustwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07056576921114387218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-47458099350670266342007-04-19T22:14:00.000-05:002007-04-19T22:14:00.000-05:00More homework? Gee, Teach! ;)I have been thinking...More homework? Gee, Teach! ;)<BR/><BR/>I have been thinking about some things in response to the different points of view. I'm not sure that it is a start-writing-and-see-what-happens kind of post, so I'll have to meditate on it a bit. I don't know if it fits in with one of your suggestions.<BR/><BR/>I'll keep thinkin' on it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270726693980247861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-36375180216703988152007-04-19T21:56:00.000-05:002007-04-19T21:56:00.000-05:00I did write the other day about the notion of syst...I did write the other day about the notion of systemic problems and what they mean for social change. It was in one of my answers to Andrea's questions. I know I didn't frame it in the context of justice or forgiveness but it is there, nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>My, but you are a ball of energy, Julie. So much work on all this. Thanks.Madhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13416585771017767796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-55041466547530484952007-04-19T21:30:00.000-05:002007-04-19T21:30:00.000-05:00Mad's comment was a reference to a conversation th...Mad's comment was a reference to a conversation that we'd had over e-mail, that was not made public, which put my post into a very different context for her. I am slowly building up the courage to write a post about the issue she was alluding to, so perhaps I will do so and add it to the second phase of this incredible round table. <BR/><BR/>I've been loving it so far.NotSoSagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04782162947524115936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-15611674249320171322007-04-19T21:13:00.000-05:002007-04-19T21:13:00.000-05:00I'm dissapointed that I didn't read about this ear...I'm dissapointed that I didn't read about this earlier, because the topics of Justice and Forgiveness have always been very interesting to me. But alas, I don't have the time now to write a whole post so I will say only this (which I'm sure others have already said, and better): instead of one being more important than the other, do they not each inform the other, so that it is in the tension or balance between the two that we find life? Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" shows vividly the impact of justice without forgiveness, and the need to hold the tension between the two. (of course, there are many things NOT to like about this story, so I do not want to appear to endorse it wholesale.)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the fascinating roundtable...I hope we get to do another one!Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316677018586769316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-80083585074741098862007-04-19T20:19:00.000-05:002007-04-19T20:19:00.000-05:00I'm sure it will be a very interesting discussion ...I'm sure it will be a very interesting discussion for all of you. I'll be checking in. <BR/><BR/>~Chanithailandchanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.com