tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post9191013249712586506..comments2023-09-29T06:00:09.242-05:00Comments on Julie Pippert: Using My Words: Hump Day Hmm: Accident of birthJulie Pipperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-3135748959608298072007-06-21T09:43:00.000-05:002007-06-21T09:43:00.000-05:00Very interesting. I think you're right that there'...Very interesting. I think you're right that there's very little regionalism left in this country -- which I find so sad.Mayberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14342826784650208124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-86671650849885253112007-06-21T09:14:00.000-05:002007-06-21T09:14:00.000-05:00My hesitation in answering has been a hedging. So...My hesitation in answering has been a hedging. Sometimes I say that I'm a quasi-military brat or that I've been here since I was 15. In my experience saying that you're from "middle class America" is quite different from saying where I'm from, "working class America". I'm not ashamed of where I come from, but people do use it against you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-89932525358525580792007-06-21T09:04:00.000-05:002007-06-21T09:04:00.000-05:00julie, damn, sister. this is good stuff. it's al...julie, damn, sister. this is good stuff. it's all an accident, isn't it? and yet it binds, as you said, us to others and our path in unbreakable ways. and how our fortune is our accident as well, and that alone is incredibly humbling.Girlplustwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07056576921114387218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-15564110698205475902007-06-21T00:37:00.000-05:002007-06-21T00:37:00.000-05:00"The life I lead is irrevocably influenced by gene...<I>"The life I lead is irrevocably influenced by genetics and the life I was born into: the accidents of birth."</I><BR/><BR/>I do wholeheartedly agree with this statement. It's funny, the more personal post that I might have written about my own circumstances of birth came up today in a very painful way. Just one of those family things that you always hope will change but never seem to. I always wonder how much my personality (something which I believe to be genetically coded) has affected the environment I grew up in and vice-versa. How much has my being a part of the family made it what it is and then in turn, contributed to who I am, and so on and so on.<BR/><BR/><I>"The point that it's an accident is crucial: it means there is nothing more worthy about me that brought me blessings and nothing less worthy about me that brought me curses."</I><BR/><BR/>I do agree with this but I would add that it would be good to consider what responsibility we have when we are given such things. What are our obligations to the world?<BR/><BR/>There has been great participation and response this week, Julie!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270726693980247861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-60849158706947732442007-06-20T21:09:00.000-05:002007-06-20T21:09:00.000-05:00I enjoyed this, Julie. Your post, the topic, and ...I enjoyed this, Julie. Your post, the topic, and all these wonderful comments. Thank you, as ever, for coordinating this.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05602868040771218507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-23677131067021290512007-06-20T20:39:00.000-05:002007-06-20T20:39:00.000-05:00Gwen, of course. :)I am so not into asking people ...Gwen, of course. :)<BR/><BR/>I am so not into asking people to stress. Stretch, yes. Stress, no. :)<BR/><BR/>I will leave this up a bit longer, so tomorrow is fine.<BR/><BR/>I am busy writing about four posts I will never publish LOL because they are about real life.<BR/><BR/>Kyla, the privilege of deadline extension is yours, too, if you want it. :) Or blog about it whenever and nevermind this roundtable. It has been an excellent discussion. I'm really excited with this roundtable...not just here on my blog, but on all participating blogs and the ensuing discussion there. It's been so insightful, thought-provoking, amazing.Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-28214473543163776222007-06-20T20:27:00.000-05:002007-06-20T20:27:00.000-05:00I know that you will let me post my thoughts on th...I know that you will let me post my thoughts on this tomorrow, yes? Yes? <BR/><BR/>And my parents were really hoping I was a boy, too, since I was their last chance for one. One more thing we have in common! :)<BR/><BR/>(Sorry can't be more deep right now, but it's all been a struggle lately, so this is what you get. :) )Gwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526629366170486737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-31060757711062446952007-06-20T19:05:00.000-05:002007-06-20T19:05:00.000-05:00The post was great in itself, but the comments are...The post was great in itself, but the comments are just rocking! <BR/><BR/>I kind of wish that I'd hopped on board this one. With KayTar, I think I might have something to say on the accident of birth. But I don't know that I have the thinky in me today! Maybe if I get around to it we can retro link it.Kylahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03311014761113076785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-33438991555217216562007-06-20T15:49:00.000-05:002007-06-20T15:49:00.000-05:00Lawyer Mama, I hope you will hijack the comments. ...Lawyer Mama, I hope you will hijack the comments. Your perspective on "accentuate the positive" would be very interesting. :)thailandchanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-55766325589319743012007-06-20T15:46:00.000-05:002007-06-20T15:46:00.000-05:00LM, also according to the Secret anyone seeking a ...LM, also according to the Secret anyone seeking a better life must shun you (and me too, I guess, and I supose we ought to shun one another as well?). BLECH. Is my objection getting any clearer? ;)<BR/><BR/>Hijack away or post it on your blog...just let me know either way b/c I'm interested to hear what you have to say.<BR/><BR/>I can just imagine next time someone asks me where I'm from, I come back with, "Big city suburban middle class US."<BR/><BR/>"But which one?"<BR/><BR/>"Oh pick any one; they are fairly interchangeable."<BR/><BR/>"GASP! No we are UNIQUE!"<BR/><BR/>I don't think I'll win any friends with that so I guess I am still stumped LOL.Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-82529018668443737512007-06-20T15:43:00.000-05:002007-06-20T15:43:00.000-05:00Julie, I truly think that is a function of culture...Julie, I truly think that is a function of culture. The finding the positive in everything. My own belief is that sometimes things just <I>suck</I> ~ and it doesn't matter if we're rich, intelligent or fit any of the other social markers that are most often sought. It's healthier, in my opinion, to acknowledge that and to make it okay. And it's okay to feel bad about things. That doesn't mean sharing our misery with the world.. but it does mean that we get to tell the truth. <BR/><BR/>I admit that I rebel against social markers. I refuse to define myself by them or allow others to pigeonhole me with them. People always want to know certain things first: where do you live, do you have children, what do you do. (The latter question I answer with "lots of things. Sometimes nothing. How about you?") It's easy to recognize what is being done and I have no qualms about thwarting them. <BR/><BR/>I address many of those questions with the same kind of "hihowareyou" responses. The question isn't real after all. Blah blah. Yeah. Yeah. (Answer someone honestly some time when they ask "how are you". What they really want to know is "are you approachable".) <BR/><BR/>That is what I would do with the "where are you from" question. It's simply not relevant where you are from. It only matters who you are. <BR/><BR/>Your intelligence I call a blessing because you had nothing to do with creating it. You only get to decide what to do with it. It's inherited but cultivated only by your own determination. It means you have choices that someone less intelligent might not have. And, yeah, more responsibility. <BR/><BR/>Good discussion. I always like and appreciate your brainstorms so much. I might not be as bright as you are... (well, I'm not) but I sure as heck enjoy straining a bit to keep up. :)<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>~chthailandchanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-73978641002034622172007-06-20T15:37:00.000-05:002007-06-20T15:37:00.000-05:00"socioeconomic class binds more than regional cult..."socioeconomic class binds more than regional culture"<BR/><BR/>I think you're right to some extent. I've moved around a lot as well and the "where are you from" question frequently stumps me. However, I do consider myself a Southerner and my family is from Louisiana and I was born there and I love it, although I could never live there, so I say Louisiana. But Middle Class America really fits so much better.<BR/><BR/>I want to comment more on the discussion regarding "accentuate the positive" but I don't want to hikack your comments. It bothers me as well. Many people think I'm just too negative. Ah, well, according to the Secret I'm due for some Cancer any day then.Lawyer Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06819273107327846943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-44662354968287728412007-06-20T15:11:00.000-05:002007-06-20T15:11:00.000-05:00This is not a reply to the specifics of your post ...This is not a reply to the specifics of your post but instead a thought after reading all these posts. I wonder, after reading others' thoughts, how I or any of the other participants might change their posts, edit or alter them in any way in response to what we've read.<BR/><BR/>Hmmm...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270726693980247861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-519225252437277892007-06-20T14:26:00.000-05:002007-06-20T14:26:00.000-05:00Emily, moving around a lot and even spending a gre...Emily, moving around a lot and even spending a great deal of time abroad has definitely taught me that truthfully, we do (as you put it) have a lot of shared assumptions. Maybe that is why I have to POV that I do. Good catch. Thanks!Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-33760162378214436762007-06-20T14:25:00.000-05:002007-06-20T14:25:00.000-05:00Christine, maybe it is a factor of moving so frequ...Christine, maybe it is a factor of moving so frequently. I find that city/suburban middle class is pretty well middle class anywhere.<BR/><BR/>The vibe of downtown Houston---the people, how they dress and act---is really not very distinct from Manhattan.<BR/><BR/>If you dig, you can hear slightly different accents, some slight variances in behavior, but pretty common.<BR/><BR/>There are some areas (not any place I've lived) that are very distinct culturally.<BR/><BR/>My dad is from New Orleans and clings to the Cajun culture. That's a very distinct culture.<BR/><BR/>Now, you bring up race which is a crucial point. I agree. In the case of race, the race usually trumps anything else.<BR/><BR/>I hope next week is exciting!<BR/><BR/>I don't mean to get to personal...people don't have to share the exact nature of the lie; you can talk around it, too.Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-70375734762543847532007-06-20T14:20:00.000-05:002007-06-20T14:20:00.000-05:00Ally and De, I got you linked in and read your pos...Ally and De, I got you linked in and read your posts. Great!<BR/><BR/>Chani, I also think I am not my socioeconmic class, but when people ask someone like me, who has lived in a variety of places and circumstances, where are you from...they are trying to pin me down to some degree, figure out WHAT I am more before learning WHO I am...see how I am trying to distinguish? So to answer that, where I am from answer is: from suburban middle-class America.<BR/><BR/>I find it so odd the hard and fast buckets people seem to *need* to chunk others into, don't you? I say that as a guilty party at times too.<BR/><BR/>The interesting thing about calling my intelligence a blessing is that every coin has two sides, KWIM?<BR/><BR/>Sometimes the greatest gifts carry the headiest responsibilities and challenges. And in dealing with that, it can be too easy to forget, oh yes, this is a blessing.<BR/><BR/>And OMG...I think you just hit a concept that has been bugging my brain and heart for a long time.<BR/><BR/>Geez louise, you rock.<BR/><BR/>Yes yes yes...that's it. We shoudl not confuse forgiveness with recognition of fortune.<BR/><BR/>Okay how that has bothered me is so many people wanting me to count the blessings instead of deal with the curses. "Accentuate the positive! Eliminate the negative!"<BR/><BR/>And it pisses me off because it's like "hey pretend that never happened and look at all you did have."<BR/><BR/>A prime example is people wanting me to drop the IF as if it never was because I have two children now. It's like a tattoo on my soul though. It did happen, and it did affect me and does affect who I am.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't mean I WALLOW. It doesn't mean I burn with bitterness, why me. It's not an albatross any longer. But I won't dismiss it, or try to make it into lemonade.<BR/><BR/>Some things, no dice on that.<BR/><BR/>Some things, okay.<BR/><BR/>Now don't get me wrong...I do think it's important to see the good, too, and not mire in the bad. And there are times to accentuate the positive, count blessings, and make lemonade.<BR/><BR/>I don't think I"m explaining this well since it is all off the top of my head. Grrr. Well forgive brainstorm there. You just hit a key point for me.<BR/><BR/>And yes, who we chose to be (and see my comment to De too) is what matters.<BR/><BR/>It brings to mind a questions I have in my head for next week's topic: can one act completely define who we are?Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-84764346357279040612007-06-20T14:02:00.000-05:002007-06-20T14:02:00.000-05:00Julie,I'm living in London now, and living abroad ...Julie,<BR/>I'm living in London now, and living abroad has really highlighted for me how much who I am is shaped by being from middle class America. You think you have so little in common with people because they are from another state or vote a different ticket, but then you move to another country and you realize just how many shared assumptions we all have.<BR/>Your post really hit the nail on the head.<BR/>EmilyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-12422146248528180712007-06-20T13:27:00.000-05:002007-06-20T13:27:00.000-05:00I'm playing today, too.I'm <A HREF="http://soberbriquette.blogspot.com/2007/06/ugly-duckling.html" REL="nofollow">playing</A> today, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-8399951830815878812007-06-20T12:55:00.000-05:002007-06-20T12:55:00.000-05:00"Isn't that something, these days, that socioecono..."Isn't that something, these days, that socioeconomic class binds more than regional culture." <BR/><BR/>I think this is true to some extent, but regional culture has always had a huge impact on me, and can definitely play into how others perceive your or even how we perceive ourselves regardless of socioeconomic status. In some ways race is like this, too. Two people with the same socioeconomic background can be treated or perceived very differently if one is say African American an the other Caucasian. Very interesting stuff here, I wish I had some time to sit down and tackle this one.<BR/><BR/>And that question for next week--heavy! I bet it proves to be a really exciting topic.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04662448292809451387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-22662635413354749022007-06-20T12:22:00.000-05:002007-06-20T12:22:00.000-05:00This is very interesting.. to read your perspectiv...This is very interesting.. to read your perspectives on these things. <BR/><BR/>However, I do think of you as far more than just a socioeconomic status. If I had to pick something out and say, "this is what I perceive as 'blessed' in Julie's life", I would say intelligence. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes forgiveness can get all confused with recognition of fortune, however we define that. I see the two as barely connected. <BR/><BR/>As with everyone, I view choices, footprints.. who does this person choose to be in the world? <BR/><BR/>In the end, that is what matters most. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Peace, <BR/><BR/>~chanithailandchanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-5308980504564066642007-06-20T11:59:00.000-05:002007-06-20T11:59:00.000-05:00Thanks for bringing up this interesting topic, and...Thanks for bringing up this interesting topic, and for the links to the Secret stuff. I've not read that book/watched that movie, and now I'll know what all the talk is about.Allyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264625893829690986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13083972.post-38090519126592574762007-06-20T10:47:00.000-05:002007-06-20T10:47:00.000-05:00Hi Julie, I just finished writing my version of Ac...Hi Julie, I just finished writing my version of Accident of Birth but can't figure out how to link it to yours... I'm still new at this blog thing. Can you link me up? It's at www.zonefamily.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Allyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264625893829690986noreply@blogger.com